The view from Seoul why the TrumpKim deal worries South Koreans

first_img Share Share on Twitter Is President Xi worried ?Is President Moon worried ? No. Jimmyji Critics fear Kim Jong-un has ambitions to reunify the peninsula and that, given the latest concessions, Trump may back him Share Share Reply Report Share on Twitter Twitter 13 Jun 2018 1:02 ‘Parts of the South Korean press framed the day as historic … But South Koreans have been here before.’Photograph: Kevin Lim/AFP/Getty Images Share on Facebook Facebook 13 Jun 2018 1:36 Share on Facebook Reply Facebook Report Share on Facebook Facebook | Pick TheSuperMac Report Facebook bekibunny Show 5 more replies | Pick 13 Jun 2018 3:06 Donald Trump Kim Jong-un Report towel workinregress Share via Email You do not need enemies if you have Trump as your friend. The world has certainly learned that. Not too sure what to make of Americans though. They used to be better than that. But now, not so? We should certainly toughen up security when anyone of them comes to visit. While many of them might be decent people, many are unfortunately now supporting North-Korea, Saudi-Arabia and all kinds of really badarse, terrorist regimes. Not to mention that they constantly shoot people themselves in their hood, which Trump also advocates.So strip them off everything, inspect everything and do not leave them near anything that could be used as a weapon, when they come visit. Best probably to keep them in groups in a bus with armed guards and book them into hotels outside cities that can be locked up and be guarded. Just to be safe. Iran will have learned the lesson: get nukes and the tangerine gibbon will give you everything you want. Share on WhatsApp Show 6 more replies Reply Facebook Order by oldest Share oldest Trump might not have told them what he was going to promise. Hell Trump might not have known until he sat down with Kim. 13 Jun 2018 3:09 25 | Pick theogsc a123b | Pick collapsed Share on Facebook 13 Jun 2018 3:35 Trump really has achieved a historic breakthrough – for the Kim dynasty 22 23 Share on Facebook 4 … next Loading comments… Trouble loading? Share on Facebook 6 7 75 76 | Pick 13 Jun 2018 3:07 13 Jun 2018 2:42 Share on Twitter Facebook Share on Twitter Facebook Share on Facebook Report Everyone is missing the bigger player here which is China. This plays right into their hands to control the entire area and with Russia as their military partner it’s going to be an interesting time over there. Mr Kim will be getting a mighty hefty reward for this accomplishment if he can pull it off ..or if he can keep his hand off the trigger until the US troops are out I should say. workshy_freeloader 13 Jun 2018 1:38 Twitter https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/world/asia/trump-military-exercises-north-south-korea.html What leader changes foreign policy without consulting with your department of defence first? Reply Opinion Marie Karim Facebook LeazesEnd thegreatfatsby William Anthony 13 Jun 2018 3:53 Marie Karim Share William Anthony 13 Jun 2018 1:31 here we have a “leader” of the largest “democratic” country in the world who berates his allies & makes friends with dictators ( don’t forget he has stated that he admires Putin) he is bartering to get back the remains of the poor soldiers who died(& were often long term prisoners of N Korea) but ignores the allies who fought along side USA in that war (like ANZACs & those that supported them, like Japan & S Korea) & you would have thought that normal diplomacy (!!!) would also include the country that has been ally and the most affected by any agreement namely S Korea …as you say China’s incursions into the Sea and claiming the artificial islands …& then his cut back on military manoeuvres …very presidential for a dictator… 0 1 Share Share Reply Report | Pick The big concession on the part of the Trump administration appears to be the suspension, at least for now, of the joint military exercises that regularly take place between the United States and South Korea. Trump even seemed to side with North Korea’s longstanding objections by calling the war games “very provocative” – a view also held by some critics of the exercises in the United States and South Korea. Trump also told reporters that his long-term goal was to follow through with his campaign promise to bring home US troops stationed in South Korea.This kind of positioning from Trump is worrying for Seoul if it signals that the US and South Korea might soften their alliance. According to some reports, the South Korean government and even the US’s own military command in Seoul were not consulted in advance about Trump’s statement at a press conference shortly after his meeting with Kim that the US would suspend military exercises.The concern in South Korea is that its neighbour’s militarism stems not from self-defence but from ambitions to reunify the peninsula on its terms. Indeed, many of the same people who applauded Trump last year when he was taking a more hawkish posture toward North Korea are now worried that he is getting ready to hand over South Korea to North Korea on a silver platter. Even South Koreans who are glad to see the current engagement with the North easing the heightened tensions of recent years aren’t yet sure if they can trust Kim Jong-un.It is about time that the leaders of the United States and North Korea started talking. It was also refreshing last month to see South Korea’s Moon Jae-in and Kim Jong-un arrange an impromptu meeting at the border – just a few weeks after their own initial summit – to figure out how to salvage the Singapore summit following Trump’s announcement he would cancel the meeting. The more we see political leaders reaching across the great Korean divide, the better the chance that a sustainable peace can emerge on the Korean peninsula and also across the Asia-Pacific region. Facebook usini Share on Twitter I’ve thought for a while that the best way to understand DT is to watch Boardwalk Empire. UnrepentantPunk Facebook Share on Twitter Reply Twitter rumblestrips Share on Twitter Reply Engelssmellyfart Reply 13 Jun 2018 1:04 1 2 Melisseus Quit the idiotic virtue signalling. newest Share | Pick Share If Trump is involved, it will undoubtedly turn to shit. Facebook Share on Twitter Facebook Show 3 more replies Share on Facebook All Facebook North Korea Reply Share on Twitter 2:35 Twitter 1 Report | Pick But… But… We’ve had enough of experts! | Pick Facebook JH1975 expanded a123b Twitter Share on Twitter Share on Twitter 5 6 Share on Facebook Well the US did once have a secret plan to occupy Canada. 🙂 Since you’re here… Twitter Report Show 1 more reply millivon benjhm 13 Jun 2018 4:33 9 10 batshitcrazy Facebook Facebook Report 20 21 13 Jun 2018 1:53 a123b Share on Facebook Reply | Pick 2 3 Report Share Share on Facebook Share on Twitter 14 15 zolotoy 13 Jun 2018 3:26 Share on Twitter Reply 3 4 Reply Reply 12 13 Share on Twitter Share Share on Twitter Share Share Report It seems the real breakthrough was made by Moon Jae-in a month ago (little else is new today, except freezing military exercises, which saves the US money anyway). So the fundamental change was not led by these two narcissist jokers, but by the last election in South Korea. Is the mood of the country now supporting this new direction at the top? In the longer term, as the two Koreas become closer, some lessons should be learned from eastern europe in the 1990s, to avoid repeating mistakes. How could external investment be brought into the north, without takeover of most assets by oligarchs who convert from communist apparatchiks to insider-deal businessmen? The people of north Korea deserve change, but a careful process that lives up to their hopes in the long term. China has been suspiciously quiet, indeed. I would interpret that as that they are very pleased with how things went. Putin is also very relaxed.Trump and many of his fans are not able to see the bigger picture and the game really being played here. | Pick 1 2 Report 13 Jun 2018 1:02 Reply | Pick 13 Jun 2018 1:54 And Corbyn wants to make trains run on time. Should we be worried? | Pick Twitter Reply Facebook Reply Share on Facebook Gletkin 2 3 Share BraveSpace Twitter 16 17 Apparently and very obviously, that guy’s comment, If Kim starts misbehaving Trump will be reluctant to do anything as it will be more important for him to save face. He would probably side with Kim over his own military and allies. Reply hey, he’s not Hillary. And the Guardian would be first in line to complain if he carried on and held themWould you like the exercises to be held? Reply Facebook 13 Jun 2018 1:56 MightyBuccaneer Yes except that Kim has China behind him. If I was South Korean or Japanese I would be conducting an urgent review of my foreign relations policy, my allies, potential allies and my military capacity. Reply Twitter carlygirl 13 Jun 2018 1:34 Share on Twitter Twitter | Pick Twitter Twitter Share on Facebook Report Facebook Shares8787 Share | Pick workshy_freeloader Facebook Share on Twitter | Pick 2 | Pick GeeDeeSea Facebook Report Read more Share Report Gletkin South Korea Facebook comment Reply | Pick 18 19 Jimmyji Twitter Share Share on Facebook 13 Jun 2018 3:06 | Pick Share Share on Facebook Share Facebook Share on Facebook TheSuperMac Share on Facebook batshitcrazy Don’t forget those lovely beaches! XSMITH Reply GeeDeeSea Share on Twitter Sign in or create your Guardian account to recommend a comment Engelssmellyfart Reply 1 2 | Pick Share on Twitter Twitter 13 Jun 2018 2:43 Reply Share Share on Twitter Facebook rumblestrips No need to be a twat. I was talking about the situation whereby the US abandons south Korea as talked about above, nukes won’t win you a war, and in any event South Korea could if they didn’t believe that North Korea had got rid of theirs build.one very quickly, hell the Japanese might even help. Report Share 13 Jun 2018 1:12 5 6 13 Jun 2018 1:30 Reply Share Share on Facebook Report Share on Facebook Twitter Reply 13 Jun 2018 1:44 Reply Share on Twitter 13 Jun 2018 1:18 Twitter Reply Twitter Twitter Share on Twitter Facebook | Pick 13 Jun 2018 2:07 Share on Twitter Report irreverentnurse Reply 13 Jun 2018 1:19 Gletkin Report comments (801)Sign in or create your Guardian account to join the discussion. Twitter Report Reply Share on Facebook 17 18 | Pick Share Show 41 more replies | Pick Why? Because you want it too. You hipster wet flannels just can’t see one of your panto villains succeeding. 5 6 Facebook Goldendays49 Share 13 Jun 2018 1:32 25 26 Share on Twitter Twitter | Pick | Pick Twitter Hans Schattle is professor of political science at Yonsei University in Seoul Share on Twitter Share Just in Syria? They still haven’t left Okinawa and they’ve been there since 1945. Like cockroaches or pubic lice, once you’ve got them they’re hard to get rid of. Share on Facebook 12 13 Facebook Ross King Share Facebook Share on Facebook Report Share on Twitter Reply Share on Twitter Report Show 13 more replies recommendations Share on Facebook workshy_freeloader | Pick Share on Twitter Who are you Vicky pollard? Reply Report 13 Jun 2018 2:04 Report Thestinger Share on Twitter Show 1 more reply … Reply Share on Facebook Trump tells his fans he wins everything and they believe him.Kim presides over a dictatorship of 26 million people, 95% of whom live in dire poverty. Other than it’s few dozen bombs it is low tech. It is close to being the poorest country on earth.South Korea by contrast has more than twice its population and is high techSo Kim who really is a nobody ran this circus and won by a landslide. Now the fun begins. Share on Twitter Share Share Share on Facebook Share 7 8 Share on Twitter Have a recommend. Obviously the considered analysis of someone who does not watch Fux Nooz teevee. Share on Facebook Twitter | Pick Share on Twitter But the Trump administration needs to establish a centre ground in its approach to North Korea, and the same can be said about Kim Jong-un and his regime. Unpredictability on all sides helped create the conditions for this first meeting to happen – a possible game-changer that was needed as a first step to resolve a seemingly intractable problem. However, it’s one thing to initiate a negotiation and quite another to reach a mutually beneficial agreement for all concerned – to make not just any deal, but the right kind of deal. The debate about what this will take is still in its earliest stages, and it will be very important for both Washington and Pyongyang to establish mutual expectations and indeed some predictability in a working relationship for any progress to be made on denuclearisation and normalising relations between the two countries.• Hans Schattle is professor of political science at Yonsei University in Seoul Share on Twitter BraveSpace 1 2 rumblestrips Trump and Caligula bare startling similarities. Share on Facebook Share on Facebook Kim has got Trump by the *shudders* balls. He has invested so much into this summit yet yielded next to nothing. Look at the Iran nuclear deal, there was so much they had to adhere to but apparently that was the “worst deal ever” Trump has bended over backwards for Kim without guaranteeing actual clarification of de-nuking, no guarantee on Japanese abductees and leaving the south in the lurch over joint military procedures. The US is at it’s most vulnerable right now because Trump has proven to the world that if you are nice to him he will do whatever the fuck you want him to and screw the allies and consequences for the rest of the world brianboru1014 Russia as china’s military partner!!! Lol!!! Reply Report 13 Jun 2018 1:50 Reply 13 Jun 2018 3:18 Twitter UnrepentantPunk Facebook Share on Facebook Share Twitter Thestinger Facebook lionfood 7 8 | Pick 7 8 Share on Twitter Share on Facebook Twitter | Pick Telling North Korea you’re going to end war games BEFORE telling the Pentagon and long time ally South Korea. http://time.com/5309627/president-trump-why-war-games-end/ Reply PhilipLees | Pick Your “something positive” is not positive for South Korea, which looks like losing USA support against its irrational, aggrandising and aggressive neighbour. 57 58 Report joeleee KatieL Share on Twitter Share on Facebook 10 11 Share on Facebook Share Report a123b 77 78 | Pick 13 Jun 2018 2:18 Reply Show 6 more replies Share Share Gletkin Facebook Asia Pacific Share on Twitter Share on Twitter Reply 21 22 Share on Twitter Trump and many of his fans are not able to see the bigger picture and the game really being played here. 3 4 Share on Facebook Share Share Share on Twitter Before or after Trump told them that he would eventually pull the US military out of South Korea? goenzoy | Pick carlygirl Twitter MeandYou Facebook Share on Facebook 13 Jun 2018 4:38 NY-ers already knew that and others could’ve researched his nasty, freeloading, lying, bankrupt and racist history and the lowest of the low with whom he teamed up (e.g., roy cohn) but those I talked to here who voted for him didn’t seem to care. Anyway, very well said, thanks. Reply goenzoy Share Twitter When Trump met Kim: what happened at the Singapore summit – video highlights  Report Report Report Reply Twitter Report Share on Pinterest Report Report MadJackMacMadd 13 Jun 2018 1:51 Share Buck__Rogers Facebook | Pick Report Thestinger Share The deal seems to have achieved the position before Trump started his abusive insults. I think Trump has come away wearing the Emperor’s new clothes. He has succeeded in making us realise that Kim looks less dangerous to world peace that he does. Share on Twitter Of course South Korean are worried about the ‘deal’, so are the Japanese. Trump decided unilaterally to stop US military exercises with South Korea, handing Kim what he wanted without Kim having to concede anything. Art of the Deal it ain’t. No doubt Trump will further reward the murderous Kim regime by lifting sanctions. Share on Facebook 1 2 Iran wasn’t ever going to change… N Korea might well change for some condos cheese speedboats and cheese. 13 Jun 2018 1:38 Reply Share on Facebook 16 17 | Pick memeroots Melisseus apint4me Email (optional) Share Zepp Share on Twitter Facebook HA-ha! *points and laughs* Reply 13 Jun 2018 3:43 6 7 Report 0 1 Twitter All Trump ever wants from any such meeting is an ego-hit, self-intoxication accompanied by a dubious bit of public glory and he’s satisfied, it’s a win. Reuse this content,View all comments > Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Reply Well they actually did grab about one third of Mexico. thegreatfatsby Nobody cares about your thoughtful, nuanced comment. Come on, yell at someone! Facebook Facebook 20 21 Show 2 more replies lionfood | Pick 42 43 13 Jun 2018 1:47 13 Jun 2018 1:54 Reply Share on Facebook Facebook Share on Twitter BoletusEdulis | Pick Twitter Share on Facebook Report Share It’s totally unpredictable because Kim has all the cards. | Pick Share on Facebook 2 3 Will the Kim dictatorship take steps to reform its society from within and improve its abysmal record on human rights? Reply | Pick 13 Jun 2018 3:04 Show 15 more replies Facebook 54 55 GeeDeeSea | Pick cevenole Twitter Share on Facebook 13 Jun 2018 23:53 Report Facebook Report apint4me zolotoy Share This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted. For more detail see our FAQs. Facebook | Pick Report 13 Jun 2018 1:25 Share on Twitter MadJackMacMadd Share on Facebook Twitter 32 33 Twitter 13 Jun 2018 1:44 Share on Facebook Twitter Share on Facebook struck a nerve. Why would that be? Twitter I had predicted before Trump left G7 for Singapore, South Korea & Japan is fucked. Fuck his old friends is what Donald Trump does all the time while he is trying to create a new one. My fear has always be Japan, will realised immediately after the Kim / Trump meeting, its security lies in its own hand. I predict an arm race between Japan and China in the very near future. 12 13 13 Jun 2018 1:41 2 3 13 Jun 2018 2:55 Share on Twitter Twitter | Pick Share I’m trying to imagine what the US military might be thinking. Please select Personal abuse Off topic Legal issue Trolling Hate speech Offensive/Threatening language Copyright Spam Other Tue 12 Jun 2018 12.48 EDT lionfood Twitter Share Share Yup, one would’ve thought. This guy is neither normal nor a diplomat but we all knew that already. I honestly don’t think he was aware S Korea was/is an ally. | Pick Facebook Histrionic, not historical Report Certainly Japan has to think very carefully about its security. Show 2 more replies Share on Twitter 13 Jun 2018 2:05 13 Jun 2018 2:24 Share on Twitter | Pick Report Share on Facebook 13 Jun 2018 1:43 13 Jun 2018 2:10 Report Share on Twitter Gletkin Reply Report Jonathan Freedland Share on Facebook William Anthony Reply Share Reply 13 Jun 2018 2:02 | Pick Facebook Share on Twitter Report Annabel1968 14 15 Twitter The view from Seoul: why the Trump-Kim ‘deal’ worries South Koreans Reply Opinion Share Report Facebook apint4me | Pick Show 9 more replies bekibunny Reply Facebook Twitter 13 Jun 2018 2:04 But if people like this do not help the Guardian to put disliking Trump ahead of the well-being of whole nations, then who will? Share on Facebook workshy_freeloader sardire Share Share on Twitter Twitter | Pick 6 7 Facebook | Pick Facebook 6 7 Twitter 3 4 Share | Pick Reply | Pick Weren’t people posting a few months ago that America should do anything, ANYTHING to avoid a war with North Korea? Trump goes there, defuses the tension and… you want him to have bullied North Korea? Backed them into a corner? Reply 13 Jun 2018 1:40 2 3 LeazesEnd Twitter Pretty smart at electing a lout with $750 million in mortgages, who keeps being bailed out when sheiks buy his failed ventures. With this clown it’s permanent damage limitation. But hey, he’s not Hillary. 2 3 Close report comment form Report Share Facebook Share on Twitter Show 9 more replies 5 6 Navarth Show 6 more replies 13 Jun 2018 1:37 Engelssmellyfart Share on Facebook Twitter Share on Facebook Report | Pick Share Twitter benjhm And Mexico. Report UnrepentantPunk You forget the North Korean nukes in this equation. You do not need anything more modern than WW2 equipment to deliver them. And what you call “a lot of damage” sounds just like what a Trump spin-doctor would call the effect a few nukes have. I would say, a nuke or two on Seoul would kill millions of people and wipe out South-Korea. That is not a cute little bit of ” lot of damage”… That is badarse massmurder at extinction level.Shall we try it out. I get a nuke from North Korea and be blow it up in your hometown. See, if you say: well, that caused “a lot of damage” but it is still harmless then.Yes, Guardian, i read the “community guidelines”, so if i call this poster an eejit, this is not disrespectful or rude, but a totally appropriate and correct description of who he is. Like, if you call a pig a pig, it is not an insult. If you call a cow a pig, that would be an insult. And if you call an eejit and eejit, it also should not be an insult. It is only an insult if you call an intelligent person an eejit. Share on Facebook 10 11 Share next joeleee Reply Facebook Facebook Share on Twitter Report Facebook Report I don’t think any of that is uppermost in the minds of South Koreans tbh… But get it off your chest if it helps you digest Trump’s part in putting Kim Jong-un on the first step on the road back to normality and giving hope to the beleaguered people of North Korea. | Pick 13 Jun 2018 3:31 Twitter Share Share on Facebook | Pick Facebook Facebook BraveSpace | Pick 13 Jun 2018 2:44 Share Twitter Reply Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Twitter 13 Jun 2018 1:36 rumblestrips Share on Facebook Facebook | Pick Twitter The establishment media has backed their way into a corner by constantly berating Trump and now he’s doing something positive you have to spin it as negative. 54 55 Report Twitter 13 Jun 2018 1:38 Navarth | Pick Can any South Koreans confirm if they are worried, or is it Trump’s media critics are projecting their own annoyance that he stole a march on the ‘experts’ which kind of undermines their whole approach to the Trump presidency and his supporters? Turns out they were pretty smart and informed when selecting him as POTUS. Share on Facebook Share on Twitter 13 Jun 2018 3:33 Reply Facebook Comments 801 Reply Share on Facebook Share Share on Twitter | Pick 4 5 | Pick Share Twitter unthreaded 3 4 apint4me Topics Twitter apint4me lionfood | Pick | Pick 13 Jun 2018 1:31 Reply 13 Jun 2018 1:04 A horse would look odd in the Republican Senate, alongside all those asses. Twitter workinregress Share Share Twitter Reply Duckham45 13 Jun 2018 3:03 Facebook Twitter Report Share via Email 13 Jun 2018 3:48 Facebook Share on Twitter Twitter Twitter Share on Twitter 53 54 Share on Facebook 3 Share on Facebook Twitter 2 3 Share on Facebook Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Reply | Pick | Pick Report Share on Facebook Report Navarth Well it will get expensive for South Korea Interesting points. The German unification process, whereby an economic powerhouse integrated its backward neighbour, looks to be directly comparable. Contrast this with the re-establishment of control in Russia by the state and apparatchiks under a different guise. German unification was not a great outcome for the communist former ruling class. Facebook Facebook Share on Facebook Twitter Reply Twitter Share on Twitter 13 Jun 2018 1:13 LeazesEnd lionfood 9 10 Share | Pick Share on Twitter They’re all so touchy today, almost as if they want everyone to agree with what they imagine the dotard accomplished. I ain’t doing it. 🙂 Share on Messenger Facebook Twitter I find is strange that Trumps supporters like the idea that he is using the office of President to enrich himself. Twitter Share on Twitter GeeDeeSea lionfood 100 1 2 13 Jun 2018 1:14 13 Jun 2018 1:57 Reply Facebook Trump needed to cancel the military exercises with S. Korea to free up troops and budget to deal with the greater threat – from Canada. Share on Twitter Support The Guardian Share on Facebook Share on Twitter 13 Jun 2018 3:56 usini Play Video 30 31 Facebook Share on Twitter Share Facebook Facebook Whilst North Korea could cause a lot of damage to south Korea they wouldn’t ultimately stand a chance in a war though, it would be WW2 equipment against a modern large well equipped army and air force. Twitter Boardwalk Empire and the Sopranos. Share Annabel1968 Share Share Share 2 3 2 3 4 5 Share on Facebook Facebook Reply Twitter | Pick | Pick UnrepentantPunk Share on Twitter Share Report Report Reply Share Share on Twitter Reply Not a South Korean professor at all; rather, an American professor in South Korea. The simple fact that the South Korean PM went out of his way to salvage the meeting suggests that a lot of South Koreans would not agree with this article. Facebook Facebook brianboru1014 Reply 13 Jun 2018 1:54 Report So you think US troops should be in Korea and other places forever? Report | Pick Bad people can do good things. If on balance they do more bad than good then they’re still bad. Hitler made good autobahns. But you probably know that already. Share Twitter Twitter | Pick Report Reply … Trump has proven to the world that if you are nice to him he will do whatever the fuck you want him to and screw the allies and consequences for the rest of the world | Pick Report a123b Reply Share on Facebook Share Report Share on Twitter Share on Twitter JH1975 13 Jun 2018 1:24 Gletkin brianboru1014 Share on Facebook Share on Twitter his #1 objective was to sell beachfront hotels so a proof positive #trump is guided by self-interest, ego, impulse, immediate self-gratification and gives a shit about important issues Share on Twitter Share on Facebook Share on Facebook Share on Facebook …& you would have thought that normal diplomacy (!!!) would also include the country that has been ally and the most affected by any agreement namely S Korea … Reply Report 3 4 Reply 58 59 As far as I know, neither side has ever given up their claim to the whole of Korea. US does have a habit of invading countries (it’s currently got troops in Syria) and it has a habit of reneging on agreements (like the Iran nuclear deal) so the risks are much greater for Kim Jong-un. | Pick Reply Facebook | Pick | Pick | Pick Twitter Report Show 25 Facebook 3 4 Share 8 9 Facebook 10 11 Twitter Reply Duckham45 Share on Twitter Reply Twitter 13 Jun 2018 1:35 Report 13 Jun 2018 1:38 | Pick Reply Reason (optional) Twitter Share on Twitter Twitter memeroots Share on Twitter Report 13 Jun 2018 1:50 mp66 benjhm | Pick My god what an absolutely absurd and warped point of view! 3 UnrepentantPunk Share | Pick Share on Facebook 9 10 34 35 Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Reply Share on Facebook Reply Twitter Facebook Ah, it was you blocking the line. I tried to phone them, too. But i just got busy signal.So you say, they told you, they are happy? Could you get off the phone, so i can ask them myself. I somehow distrust people posting things on the internet. They might be paid Putinbots or Trumpbots. Well, paid Trumpbots, if they get cash upfront. If they get a cheque, he might cancel it a minute after signing it. Share this is a south korean professor’s point of view, so I would be pretty worried if I were you – they’ve been dealing with this a lot longer and more intimately than Trump has. | Pick Hans Schattle Buck__Rogers | Pick Twitter Share BraveSpace Guess they must prefer ballistic missiles fired over their territory rather than the start of the process to stop that? 5 6 Reply Report Share on Facebook Twitter Share on Facebook Twitter 13 Jun 2018 2:19 Report 13 Jun 2018 1:22 92 93 President Moon seems happy with it. Share on Facebook Hipster wet flannels. That’s a knew one. I bet it sounded good in your head. workinregress Correct. Trump is so deep into Russian loans (that he must repay with favors) that what we take for insanity is really simple orders from Russian Oligarchs. It doesn’t take a genius to see why Trump never revealed his tax returns. Share on Facebook Report Share on Facebook Report Share on Facebook Share Jimmyji Share Facebook Facebook joeleee Buck__Rogers Share on Facebook Share on Facebook Facebook Report Share on Twitter | Pick Facebook Report 9 10 Share Apologies if I come across as a comic Hans, but the reality of what just happened is that North Korea have just been officially welcomed into the nuclear club and the rules of the game were discussed. Portraying it as anything but a loss for the west, who have repeatedly tried to prevent this day from happening, is naive; and that’s putting it mildly. As for Kim himself, it’s a successful outcome – his father’s plan was good and well thought out and he has fulfilled it. As for Trump, what other option had he, or any US president in that position, other than to now offer North Korea the respect according to a nuclear armed nation? Reply Share Twitter irreverentnurse Share on Twitter Show 5 more replies 3 4 13 Jun 2018 2:45 Twitter BraveSpace 13 Jun 2018 1:56 9 10 Report Reply 2 Show 7 more replies Reply Share 13 Jun 2018 2:03 50 Reply 55 56 mazeltov Share Share on Facebook NeverMindTheBollocks Share Facebook Threads collapsed William Anthony 9 10 Facebook Share Report usini Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Twitter 3 4 Bravo – students of Roman History have been saying this for a long, long time. Caligula (Gaius Germanicus) was ten times the man that Trump is, however… Share memeroots Share on Twitter Report GeeDeeSea | Pick Report Share on Twitter 13 Jun 2018 1:22 Share on Twitter Facebook brianboru1014 13 Jun 2018 1:41 Twitter Reply | Pick South Korea Share on Facebook Sorry there was an error. Please try again later. If the problem persists, please contact Userhelp Report Reply 13 Jun 2018 1:52 Report Share Wait what? Since when is that an actual foreign policy concern? I mean we don’t demand any human rights improvements from the despots that are our friends and partners, like Saudi Arabia. Quit the idiotic virtue signalling. Share on Facebook Twitter Share on Facebook Share Share on Twitter Twitter Facebook lionfood 13 Jun 2018 1:06 MightyBuccaneer Share on Twitter UnrepentantPunk Twitter Report Facebook 13 Jun 2018 1:25 13 Jun 2018 2:38 Ginen 4 36 37 13 Jun 2018 1:43 Report 5 6 19 20 3 4 Report Twitter Share on Twitter Share on Twitter Twitter Report Facebook Share Twitter Michael Gameshowhost Parsnip Tuffli sardire Twitter 3 4 His #1 interest is empowering Russia. Trump’s managed to divide the West, now Trump is working on dividing the East. Reply 13 Jun 2018 1:59 Share on Facebook 18 19 MeandYou Twitter KatieL Would you prefer they went ahead? Report Michael Gameshowhost Parsnip Tuffli joeleee 13 Jun 2018 1:07 Invading and reneging. Too numerous to mention. Share 5 6 2 3 Facebook | Pick | Pick | Pick Report rumblestrips Facebook Report 13 14 Share on LinkedIn Twitter Iran doesn’t have nice enough beaches… benjhm Share on Twitter …..if it hasn’t already! Share on Facebook The US has reached that “overextended point” like Rome under Hadrian. The rest of US history is one of diminished influence in world affairs (and internal strife along the lines of the Third Century Crisis). The US should start looking for leadership like Emperors Aurelian and Diocletian to give it another hundred years of life. History inevitably repeats. joeleee | Pick 13 Jun 2018 1:33 Report Report Reply Report Share on Facebook 13 Jun 2018 2:12 Reply Share usini Share on Facebook Share on Facebook rumblestrips MeandYou carlygirl Facebook Facebook Last modified on Tue 12 Jun 2018 13.35 EDT | Pick 13 Jun 2018 1:44 10 11 Show 3 more replies Share Report ”so now they’re simply taking a wait-and-see attitude.” Perhaps the Guardian could do the same. Trump went to sell hotels (!!) to Kim, unbelievable, whilst at the same time threatening Canada in a language straight from a B-maffiafilm. Don Trumpone, the stupidest leader ever of the most powerful (yet) country. Facebook Share on Facebook | Pick Reply Share Share on Twitter The Singapore summit made history in symbolism, but can this new dialogue end North Korea’s 70 years of isolation from the outside world and transform relations on the Korean peninsula?Many details must be clarified before we know if the summit will make history in substance – and if the divided Korean peninsula is to move beyond the uneasy peace of the past 65 years.Parts of the South Korean press framed the day as historic – “opening a new era of detente”. But South Koreans have been here before. They remember the summits during the country’s “sunshine policy” era when presidents Kim Dae-jung and Roh Moo-hyun both went to Pyongyang and met Kim’s late father, Kim Jong-il. South Korea extended goodwill and investment in North Korea’s direction during that period and ended up with nothing in return. Many South Koreans think they got burned then, so now they’re simply taking a wait-and-see attitude. No wonder the financial markets in Seoul barely moved even as the theatrics in Singapore unfolded.In many respects, we’re still left with the same questions that have been lingering ever since Trump spontaneously agreed in March to meet Kim in person. Will North Korea get rid of its nuclear weapons in a transparent way and stick to its promises this time around? If so, what is the timetable, and how will the inspections work? Will Pyongyang also dial down its missile programmes that have threatened its neighbours in northeast Asia? Will the Kim dictatorship take steps to reform its society from within and improve its abysmal record on human rights? The statement that Trump and Kim signed in Singapore does not begin to address these kinds of details, but it does suggest the two countries have made a commitment to iron out the details that could lead, at last, to the end of the cold war in northeast Asia. … we have a small favour to ask. The Guardian will engage with the most critical issues of our time – from the escalating climate catastrophe to widespread inequality to the influence of big tech on our lives. At a time when factual information is a necessity, we believe that each of us, around the world, deserves access to accurate reporting with integrity at its heart.More people are reading and supporting The Guardian’s independent, investigative journalism than ever before. And unlike many news organisations, we have chosen an approach that allows us to keep our journalism accessible to all, regardless of where they live or what they can afford. But we need your ongoing support to keep working as we do.Our editorial independence means we set our own agenda and voice our own opinions. Guardian journalism is free from commercial and political bias and not influenced by billionaire owners or shareholders. This means we can give a voice to those less heard, explore where others turn away, and rigorously challenge those in power.We need your support to keep delivering quality journalism, to maintain our openness and to protect our precious independence. Every reader contribution, big or small, is so valuable. Support The Guardian from as little as $1 – and it only takes a minute. Thank you. Twitter rumblestrips Twitter Reply 1 Share on Twitter theogsc | Pick 13 Jun 2018 3:40 13 Jun 2018 2:19 Why would North Korea drop a nuke just a few miles away from Pyongyang? Reply MadJackMacMadd Facebook Show 33 more replies | Pick 9 10 View more commentslast_img

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